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Why Does It Feel So Wrong To Be Human At Work?

Not a panel. The audience is in the hot seat.

45 minutes
For communicators and employee experience practitioners
The Hosts

A duo or all three.

Pinaki Kathiari
Pinaki Kathiari
CEO, Local Wisdom · Co-Host, Human at Work
Co-HostView profile →
Chris Lee
Chris Lee
Vice President, Communications, Gallagher · Co-Host, Human at Work
Co-Host
Bree Bartos
Bree Bartos
Content Strategist, Local Wisdom · Co-Host, Human at Work
Co-Host
About This Talk

We're employees. But we're also humans. We have good days and bad days; we have emotions like pride, envy and frustration. There are so many things that make us distinctly human. So why are organizations set up to view their team members more as resources and less as people?

Pinaki Kathiari, CEO of Local Wisdom, and Chris Lee, Vice President, Communications at Gallagher, have thought a great deal about that question — so much so that they started a podcast about it, now co-hosted with Bree Bartos of Local Wisdom. Why Does It Feel So Wrong To Be Human At Work? challenges the working practices we have been conditioned to accept for generations, and looks at each one from every side.

This session is not a panel. The audience is the panel. The hosts hand the room the format of their own show: tables surface the things that feel wrong at work, the room votes the hot takes up by applause, and the hosts then run the top three live — asking the same questions they ask on the podcast, and closing each one on three things a communicator can actually do.

Attendees leave having said the quiet part out loud in a room of people who recognised it, and with a method for asking the uncomfortable questions that shift an organization.

Format
45-minute live un-panel — best in a late-afternoon slot before a social
Hosts
Pinaki Kathiari and Chris Lee as a duo, or with Bree Bartos as a trio — the Human at Work podcast co-hosts
Built for
Internal communicators and employee experience practitioners — it's about work itself, not just comms
Room needs
Round tables, not theatre seating, and two roving mics
Presented at
ALI Strategic Internal Communications Canada (Toronto, 2024) and West (San Francisco, 2025)
Takeaways Photos By the Numbers
What Attendees Leave With

The room already knows.

You'll learn to

01
Name what feels wrong
Name a working practice that feels wrong and why, rather than tolerating it.
02
Ask the podcast's questions
Interrogate any workplace norm with the show's own question set — where we are today, where we want to go, how we get there.
03
Sort eroding, enduring and emerging
Decide which practices are on the way out, which will likely never change, and which are how we grow — what to kill and what to keep.
04
Leave with three actions
Three concrete things a communications professional can do on each topic.

How it runs

01
The premise
Remember when someone asked what you wanted to be when you grew up? Somewhere in a career, Fridays became relief and Mondays became dread.
02
Everyone's a host
For the next 30 minutes, the room runs the show. A safe place to disagree freely — and have fun.
03
Table discussion
Tables surface examples of what feels wrong at work. Hot takes wanted, no judgement.
04
Vote by applause
The hot takes go up live on screen, and the room's volume decides what gets discussed.
05
The top three, run live
The hosts ask the podcast's questions on each topic and close it on three things a communicator can do on Monday.
By the Numbers
30
Minutes of live discussion, all of it driven by the room
3
Topics, chosen by the audience's applause
3
Actions a communicator can take on each topic
0
Pre-scripted topics once the table discussion starts
A full ballroom at ALI San Francisco 2025
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